Turkish EU Consul threatens Freedom Party (PVV)

Talking like a real Turk

Kleinverzet has a story on Freedom Party (PVV) EU MP Barry Madlener questioning the consul to the EU Egemen Bagis. MP Madlener asked why the government of Turkey refused to meet with PVV leader Geert Wilders, who is opposed to Turkey joining the EU. MP Madlener added:

You are good friends with Iranian dictator Ahmadinejad, while you shun my party's leader. It is a disgrace.

The consul of the Turks responded with a personal attack on Wilders and Madlener

Racism is a dangerous disease from which Europe suffers much. It is clear there are still people suffering from it. Mr. Madlener, we will cure you.

In addition to a personal smear, this is a direct threat against Mr. Madlener, Mr. Wilders and those who stand with them. How will the Turks "cure" those who oppose their joining the EU? Will they cure them with the cure the Armenians received less than a century years ago, when they were against remaining a part of the Ottoman Empire?

Seeing but not seeing

Indicative of the refusal of the EU elite to see reality of Turkish and Muslim irredentism for what it is, the EU secratariat ommitted the remarks by the consult of the Turks from the meeting notes. Quoting Kleinverzet:

Thomas Grünert, secretary of the EP, says the remarks made by the Turkish minister were not included, because it wasn't 'really a political point'. According to him it was something personal between the Bagis and Madlener.

We didn't think it was in the interest of the governance of the European Union to emphasise the confrontation between the Turkish minister and Madlener.

Turkey refuses to talk to Wilders

Dutch parlementarians will not go to Turkey over Wilders row. Dutch delegation's Turkey trip cancelled over Wilders.

The Dutch parliament said the MPs have decided to cancel a trip to Turkey after Turkish government said Geert Wilders is unwelcome in the Islamic country. A delegation of Dutch parliamentarians to visit Turkey in January has been cancelled after members of the Turkish government refused to meet anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders

Ministry spokesman Burak Ozugergin said:

We reject the racist views of this person... He is unwelcome in many European countries as well

The Turkish spokesman is probably referring to the UK, which refused entry to Wilders earlier in 2009. But a British judge refused to uphold that decision.

At the head of the Party for Freedom, he [Wilders] has also voiced fierce opposition to Turkey's European Union membership bid, likening the country to a Trojan horse whose accession would prompt more Muslims to immigrate to Europe.

The Turkish parlementarians probably thought that the other members of the Dutch delegation would not support Wilders and isolate him. The refusal of the Dutch MPs to make the trip to Turkey causes a dent in Turkish and Dutch relations and is a good thing for The Netherlands. I do sincerely hope that more meetings of Dutch politicians with politicians from Muslim countries will be severed and that the influence of Islam on Dutch politics will decrease accordingly. This is a good example of the positive influence Wilders already has, without even having any formal power.

Turkey leaves the Pro-Western alliance

Caroline Glick has a post up at the Jerusalem Post explaining that Turkey is not a Pro-Western country anymore:

Once the apotheosis of a pro-Western, dependable Muslim democracy, this week Turkey officially left the Western alliance and became a full member of the Iranian axis.

It isn't that Ankara's behavior changed fundamentally in recent days. There is nothing new in its massive hostility toward Israel and its effusive solicitousness toward the likes of Syria and Hamas. Since the Islamist AKP party first won control over the Turkish government in the 2002 elections, led by AKP chairman Recip Tayyip Erdogan, the Turks have incrementally and inexorably moved the formerly pro-Western Muslim democracy into the radical Islamist camp populated by the likes of Iran, Syria, Hizbullah, al-Qaida and Hamas.

What made Turkey's behavior this week different from its behavior in recent months and years is that its attacks were concentrated, unequivocal and undeniable for everyone outside of Israel's scandalously imbecilic and flagellant media.

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In February 2006, when Erdogan became the first international figure to host Hamas leaders on an official state visit after the jihadist group won the Palestinian elections, Jerusalem sought to explain away his diplomatic aggression. Israeli leaders claimed that Erdogan's red carpet treatment for mass murderers who seek the physical destruction of Israel was not due to any inherent hostility on the part of the AKP regime toward Israel. Rather, it was argued that Ankara simply supported democracy and that the AKP, as a formerly outlawed Islamist party, felt an affinity toward Hamas as a Muslim underdog.

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But Turkey wasted no time in making fools of them. On Monday, 11 Turkish government ministers descended on Syria to sign a pile of cooperation agreements with Iran's Arab lackey. The Foreign Ministry didn't even have a chance to write apologetic talking points explaining that brazen move before Syria announced it was entering a military alliance with Turkey and would be holding a joint military exercise with the Turkish military. Speechless in the wake of Turkey's move to hold military maneuvers with its enemy just two days after it canceled joint training with Israel, Jerusalem could think of no mitigating explanation for the move.

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Erdogan's anti-Israel and anti-Semitic blows were followed on Tuesday evening by Turkey's government-controlled TRT1 television network's launch of a new prime-time series portraying IDF soldiers as baby- and little girl-killers who force Palestinian women to deliver stillborn babies at roadblocks and line up groups of Palestinians against walls to execute them by firing squad.

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TURKEY'S BREAK with the West; its decisive rupture with Israel and its opposition to the US in Iraq and Iran was predictable. Militant Islam of the AKP variety has been enjoying growing popularity and support throughout Turkey for many years. The endemic corruption of Turkey's traditional secular leaders increased the Islamists' popularity. Given this domestic Turkish reality, it is possible that Erdogan and his fellow Islamists' rise to power was simply a matter of time.

But even if the AKP's rise to power was eminently predictable, its ability to consolidate its control over just about every organ of governance in Turkey as well as what was once a thriving free press, and change completely Turkey's strategic posture in just seven years was far from inevitable. For these accomplishments the AKP owes a debt of gratitude to both the Bush and Obama administrations, as well as to the EU.

The Bush administration ignored the warnings of secular Turkish leaders in the country's media, military and diplomatic corps that Erdogan was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Rather than pay attention to his past attempts to undermine Turkey's secular, pro-Western character and treat him with a modicum of suspicion, after the AKP electoral victory in 2002 the Bush administration upheld the AKP and Erdogan as paragons of Islamist moderation and proof positive that the US and the West have no problem with political Islam. Erdogan's softly peddled but remorselessly consolidated Islamism was embraced by senior American officials intent on reducing democracy to a synonym for elections rather than acknowledging that democracy is only meaningful as a system of laws and practices that engender liberal egalitarianism.

In a very real sense, the Bush administration's willingness to be taken in by Erdogan paved the way for its decision in 2005 to pressure Israel to allow Hamas to participate in the Palestinian elections and to coerce Egypt into allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to participate in its parliamentary poll.

In Turkey itself, the administration's enthusiastic embrace of the AKP meant that Erdogan encountered no Western opposition to his moves to end press freedom in Turkey; purge the Turkish military of its secular leaders and end its constitutional mandate to preserve Turkey's secular character; intimidate and disenfranchise secular business leaders and diplomats; and stack the Turkish courts with Islamists. That is, in the name of its support for its water-downed definition of democracy, the US facilitated Erdogan's subversion of all the Turkish institutions that enabled liberal norms to be maintained and kept Turkey in the Western alliance.

As for the Obama administration, since entering office in January it has abandoned US support for democracy activists throughout the world, in favor of a policy of pure appeasement of US adversaries at the expense of US allies. In keeping with this policy, President Barack Obama paid a preening visit to Ankara where he effectively endorsed the Islamization of Turkish foreign policy that has moved the NATO member into the arms of Teheran's mullahs. Taken together, the actions of the Bush and Obama White Houses have demoralized Westernized Turks, who now believe that their country is doomed to descend into the depths of Islamist extremism. As many see it, if they wish to remain in Turkey, their only recourse is to join the Islamist camp and add their voices to the rising chorus of anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism sweeping the country.

Then there is the EU. For years Brussels has been stringing Turkey along, promising that if it enacts sufficient human rights reforms, the 80-million strong Muslim country will be permitted to join Europe. But far from inducing more liberal behavior on the part of Turkey, those supposedly enlightened reforms have paved the way for the Islamist ascendance in the country. By forcing Turkey to curb its military's role as the guarantor of Turkish secularism, the EU took away the secularists' last line of defense against the rising tide of the AKP. By forcing Turkey to treat its political prisoners humanely and cancel the death penalty, the EU eroded the secularists' moral claim to leadership and weakened their ability to effectively combat both Kurdish and Islamist terror.

At the same time, by consistently refusing to permit Turkey to join the EU, despite Ankara's moves to placate its political correctness, Brussels discredited still further Turkey's secularists. When after all their self-defeating and self-abasing reforms, Europe still rejected them, the Turks needed to find a way to restore their wounded honor. The most natural means of doing so was for the Turks writ large to simply turn their backs on Europe and move toward their Muslim brethren.

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Read more on Turkey joining Iran and its allies.

Snouck's Commentary: The fact that Turkey is now becoming an ally of Iran makes it obviously impossible for Turkey to stay in NATO or to join the EU. However, the treasonous leadership of NATO and the EU will allow Turkey to stay in those supra-national organisations.

A fifth seat for the Freedom Party?

Will the Freedom Party be second?

Press agency ANP reported that Geert Wilders' Freedom Party (PVV) may get a fifth seat in the European Parliament (EP). It was widely reported that the PVV stood at 4 seats. But the latest results show more gains for the PVV.

The Christian-Democrats (CDA) still stand at 5 seats. If the PVV gets 5 seats they will be equally large as the CDA and they will be equal to what used to be the biggest Dutch party in the EU parliament. All the other Dutch parties will be smaller than the PVV in Europe.

This may serve as a constant reminder to all the Europhile politicians that there is a strong undercurrent of hostility to greater power to the EU and its institutions.

Voter turnout and legitimacy of the EP

The voter turnout was not impressive. In The Netherlands around 36-37 percent of those eligible to vote, did. This alone should make the legitimacy of the EP, which passes around 80 percent of all legislation of the EU member states, questionable.

Turkey's membership of the EU

The PVV will be able to voice its opposition to allowing Turkey in the EU. It is essential that this country be stopped. Membership of the EU would mean free access of Turkeys 70 million citizens to Europe's Housing and Labour markets. With Turkey's double digit unemployment this would mean a dangerous reinforcement of the existing Turkish and Muslim communities in Europe's towns and cities. Turkey would be the second biggest nation in the EU, measured by population.

Wilders has categorically stated that Turkey can not be a member of the EU. Because it is a Muslim country.

That message must continually be restated in the EP.

Passengerlist for the crashed Turkish Airlines plane

Passenger list flight TK 1951

The passenger list of the crashed Turkish Airlines plane is available at samanyoluhaber.

More pictures of Turkish Airlines Plane Crash

More Pictures plus live stream of Turkish Airlines Plane Crash

More pictures at plane crash picture1, plane crash picture2 and plane crash picture3 (HT GeenStijl).

This pictures give a good impression of the plane, the crash site and the activities of the emergency services.

The livestream of the crash site may be found at NOS 24.

The AMC Hospital in Amsterdam received less than 10 wounded 3 of them serious, according to a hospital spokesman.

Emergency information post can be called at 0800 1351.

UPDATE:
NOS 24 reports 9 people killed on board. Three crew members and 6 passengers. The number of injured passengers is unclear.

Plane crash in The Netherlands: eye witness reports lethalities

People killed on board of crashed Turkish Airlines plane

Eye witnesses report 4 or 5 bodies next to the plane lieing under white sheets. The plane crashed near Schiphol Airport, the Amsterdam airport.

This contradicts reports from the Turkish Minister of Transport and the Managing Director of Turkish Airlines.

The crash concerns flight TK 1951. The type is a Boeing 737-800.

Turkish airlines plane crash update

NOS 24 reports that the Turkish Airlines hit the ground at 10:47 local time. Turkish Media report that there were 134 names on the passenger list.

The plane crash landed in a field a three kilometers from the "Polderbaan" landing strip, next to the A9 highway. There are contradictory reports of 1 person killed or nobody killed from Turkish media and the Turkish Minister of Transport.

The plane lies in a field which has just been ploughed and vehicles such as ambulances can not reach the plane. Wounded passengers are evacuated by a tracked rescue vehicle that shuttles them to a nearby road where ambulances are parked.

UPDATE:
The plane left Istanbul at 08:20 local time

An eye witness saw the plane crashing and 15 people leaving the plane immediately after the crash. The plane was flying extremely slow and low before it crashed.

Turkish Airlines plane crash life streams and commentary

Live Stream and Pictures of Turkish Airlines Plane Crash

Live stream of Turkish airlines crash plus commentary at NOS 24.

The plane broke in three pieces. There is a report that 50 people walked away from the crash.

Turkish Airlines plane Crash picture

Update on the plane crash: picture of the plane crashed in a meadow along the A9: HERE.

Picture of a similar plane from the same airline Turkish Airlines.

Plane Crash in The Netherlands

The news came just in that about half an hour ago (10:30 local time) a plane crashed on Schiphol Amsterdam Airport. The plane that crashed belongs to a Turkish airline. These Turkish charter firms are infamous for their low level of maintenance.

According to Dutch newspaper the Volkskrant and other sources the airline is "Turkish Airlines" and there were about 100 passengers on board.

A legion of 5th columns

Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey went to Germany to state that Turks in Germany and the rest of Europe ought to hold on to their Turkish identity. What goes for Germany, goes for The Netherlands as well. That clears something up for us Dutchies.

Now the Maroccan state made a similar statement regarding the Moroccan communities in Europe. Minister Mohammed Ameur stated (Dutch) that Maroccan children in Europe (Dutch) must be educated in Arabic and Maroccan culture.

It is often stated that Marocco has an economic or pecuniary motive to keep the Moroccans abroad in the orbit of the Moroccan state. The remittances to the home country by Moroccans is the third largest source of foreign currency for the country.

However, Minister Ameur is in charge of the Ministry of Maroccans abroad. Maroccans abroad number 3.2 million or 10 percent of the population. Minister Ameur called them "the 16 province of Marocco". So the state considers them to be integral to the nation.

This integrality to the body of the nation is expressed in:
1. the fact that the state has a Ministry for Maroccans abroad
2. the fact that it has set up a council of advisors of influentual moroccans in Europe which advises the King of Marocco.

Read also the informative article on KleinVerzet on the Maroccans in The Netherlands and Europe.

The Netherlands becoming the playground for far-away disputes

The botched U.S. occupation of Iraq has thrown that country in ever worsening chaos, as was observed by the Gholam-Ali Haddad, Speaker if the Iranian Majlis or Parliament, to Turkish foreign minister Ali Babacan yesterday.

This means that there is has been no central authority in Iraq since 2003. The North of Iraq is Kurdish and is run by the Kurdish allies of the U.S. The Kurds are a minority in Iran, Iraq and Turkey.

The Kurdish allies of the U.S. in North-Iraq are giving refuge to PKK terrorists. The PKK is a Kurdish Communist Army the fights to liberate the Kurdish parts of Turkey. Kurdish separatism is a threat to the territorial integrity of Turkey. Turkey is an aspiring EU member state. Many Kurds and Turks live in Western Europe, especially in Germany and The Netherlands.

Turkey is now attacking PKK positions in north-Iraq. It has threathened to invade Iraq and some of its troops are already on Iraqi soil carrying out operations against the Kurds. Turkey is trying to find support in the region for its anti-Kurdish offensive.

Turkish public opinion is in turmoil over the threat of Kurdish separatism. There have been nationalist demonstrations in several Turkish cities. Demonstrators chant and display nationalist slogans.

Similar convulsions are also taking place in The Netherlands and Germany. In Berlin, Germany and Utrecht, The Netherlands, ethnic Turks demonstrated to express their dismay about the threat of Kurdish separatism. They demanded an invasion of Iraq by the Turkish Army.

Dutch viewers (Dutch) commented on the obvious loyalty of these Dutch-speaking Turks to Turkey. The Turkish diaspora in Western Europe knows exactly where their loyalty lies. It lies with Turkey and Turkish nationalism and goes against the host societies and Kurdish migrants in their host societies.

These demonstration give substance to the allegation by Dutch nationalist leader Geert Wilders that ethnic Turkish citizens have a "double loyalty", and that their loyalty to Turkey trumps their loyalty to The Netherlands.

President of Turkey on Islam and Islam critics

On MEMRI the news on Turkey is that the Islamist Turkish President Erdogan is angry with Westerners who believe in moderate Islam:

"These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it."

We got it on Islamist authority: "No such thing as moderate Islam. It is an insult even"

Yesterday President Erdogan also commented on those who criticize Islamist President-Candidate Gül in the harshest terms:

"The people who say that (Gul is not my president), must renounce their citizenship," quoted Reuters.

The Euro elite is still trying to make this country a EU member state!