Friday, January 06, 2006

After the Leftists run from Islamic theocracy

JMaria, ever the pessimist, replies to my idea that Leftist elite from countries succumbing to Islam will influence Leftist elites by saying:

"Leftists are not so stupid, they want to destroy Western Values, Christianity among them, the Left sees Islam and immigrants as a weapon to their aims. They fooly believe that they can manage later Muslims, but first they need them to destroy Capitalism and the old Western World. They will be killed like in Iran. Did Leftists in Iran asked for help? They didn´t."

I agree that Leftists see Muslims as a stick to hit Conservatism and Conservatives with. My point is that once their Leftist brothers from a neigbouring country are losing power and come running from persecution this will shock the Left. Because they see their brother Leftists LOSING power. And they love power so much, just as the rest of us.

What we see here in The Netherlands is that a writer like Afshin Ellian from Iran and politician Hirsi Ayaan Ali from Somalia are the fiercest critics of Islam. And Ayaan is really a Leftist, more than a classical Liberal.

The Left in Iran did run off to Europe and the USA. There is a huge diaspora here. Afshin Ellian is an example that diaspora. When the Ayatolla's destroyed the Leftist Tudeh ("masses") party with firing squads and pogroms of crazed fanatics the remants formed a resistance movement. A lot of them also ended up in Iraq and fought in a well-armed militia that was equipped by Saddam Hussain. They still have a lot of support amongst middle class Iranians and are getting stronger and stronger, while the Iranian population is getting tired and weary of radical Islam. So yeah, they did come to the West and they did ask for help. Only this did much less influence our cognoscenti and literati because they think "It can never happen here". This will of course change once a European county goes down.

What I am trying to say is that a thing that looks like a bad thing is not the end of the story and can have a salutory effect on elite and public opinion. In a conflict or a war there are not just victories, there are defeats as well. Usually the defeated party gets resentful and prepares to lash back.

Even if Hispanic immigration destroys the USA while at the same time Europe succumbs to Islamic Immigration, that does not mean the end of the story of the West. Nations do not die so quicklily. 30-40 years after such defeats the victors will have become soft, weak and decadent. And the Western populations will be furious. There will be no Left because that foolishness only pays in Western-run societies.

Many Eastern European countries were run by Islam for hundreds of years. They are now the nations which are the whitest and most strongly opposed to Islam.

3 comments:

José María said...

Very good post Snouck. You are more optimistic than I am;-) but I see that what you say is a logical possibility, although unfortunately it could not succeed.

The Left in Iran did run off to Europe and the USA.
That is true, but their influence has been NULL, Leftists don´t believe them although they "see them" as a real evidence.
Some days ago you wrote about a Leftist friend of you, try with him if these people really affect their deep stupidity. By the way what does a clever and good person like you do with a Leftist?;-)

My point is that Leftists hate so deeply Western Values that their racionality is lost to the point of endangering themselves and hoping for the miracle of the conversion of Muslims to Leftism.

Many Eastern European countries were run by Islam for hundreds of years. They are now the nations which are the whitest and most strongly opposed to Islam.
I agree partially. Islam has still influence in the Balkans, mainly in Bosnia. Even there is a risk that Europeans of that region become jihadists.

Snouck said...

JMaria,
"I agree partially. Islam has still influence in the Balkans, mainly in Bosnia. Even there is a risk that Europeans of that region become jihadists."

Good. Let them become Jihadists. Another nail in the coffin of Multiculturalism.

You could have mentioned the RECONQUISTA too. Because that is the perfect analogy. Ferdinand and Isabella.

netron said...

Maybe its different in Ireland, but over here (in Ireland), the left is immensely patriotic and proud of their country. And generally, it is the right-wing in Ireland who are in favour of further integration into the , currently undemocratic, European Union.

We currently, in Ireland, dont have the problem of Muslim ghettoes that you see in Holland, mainly because we're importing thousands of Polish workers instead. And there are no ghettoes as a result - they go to the same churches as the Irish, they are Catholic like the Irish, and they drink in the same bars.