tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18399778.post114320928825447940..comments2023-10-28T15:20:05.754+02:00Comments on Islam in Europe - Commentary by Snouck: Ayaan: zeroing inSnouckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04337065305817263551noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18399778.post-1143317109604055092006-03-25T21:05:00.000+01:002006-03-25T21:05:00.000+01:00Quote: How can State and ideology be united, if it...Quote: <I>How can State and ideology be united, if it is a reflection of many different ideologies.</I><BR/><BR/>When the state reflects values derived from various ideologies, then surely the resulting system of values and ideas forms an ideology approved of by the various parties involved? <BR/><BR/>Different ideologies may vary in the degree to which they are tolerant of other ideologies, but there always is a limit. For instance, Satanists will not be granted their religious freedom if that freedom entails the ritual sacrifice of babies. Thus, certain core values of satanic ideology are not tolerated because those values are completely incompatible with the prevailing values upheld by the majority in society. <BR/><BR/>There always is a prevailing ideology, I don’t see how anyone can separate state and ideology. Leftists try to use the argument of separation of Church and State as a tactic to eliminate religious influence in the laws, which often limits destructive types of freedom that the Left seeks to tolerate, but it is based on false grounds. Why should Church (a collective supporting an ideology) be separated from the state while the young Marxist society or the New Liberal Movement (also organizations based on certain ideologies) are allowed to take part in the democratic process?<BR/><BR/>The most important question in a democracy is always the same: which ideology should prevail and which ideologies can be tolerated? I think any reasonable person will agree that it should be an ideology that allows room for various other ideologies, within certain acceptable (moral, ethical and socio-political) limits of course.JKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10616851353904448593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18399778.post-1143306158727216202006-03-25T18:02:00.000+01:002006-03-25T18:02:00.000+01:00@jkayce:The key to your point I think is your use ...@jkayce:<BR/>The key to your point I think is your use of the word ideology in the plural form. <BR/><BR/>How can State and ideology be united, if it is a <I>reflection</I> of many different ideologies. I think the problem with <I>mass</I> immigration is that one ideology gets the upper hand, and makes it possible for the State to adopt one stance, the same with Universalism, where the state is going for one set of ideas and decrees it goes above all others.MZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14985023688792609928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18399778.post-1143226727016314922006-03-24T19:58:00.000+01:002006-03-24T19:58:00.000+01:00Quote: "You cannot separate State and Ideology (re...Quote: <I>"You cannot separate State and Ideology (religion is a spiritual ideology) by uniting it."</I><BR/><BR/>Do you think that state and ideology can be separated? I don't think that is possible, the laws in our society are a reflection of ideologies.JKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10616851353904448593noreply@blogger.com